1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:06,204 Yell his name was Juan Hiro Coronilla Duran. 2 00:00:06,204 --> 00:00:08,586 He was twenty eight years old. 3 00:00:08,586 --> 00:00:11,669 He was from San Luis de La Paz, 4 00:00:11,669 --> 00:00:14,551 which is in the Guanajuato state in Mexico, 5 00:00:14,551 --> 00:00:17,453 and he had a wife, her name was Jessica, 6 00:00:17,453 --> 00:00:21,757 a seven year old son, a daughter who was seven months old. 7 00:00:21,757 --> 00:00:25,079 Seven months. She's not gonna remember her father. 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,432 She'll just have to know him from photographs and stories. 9 00:00:28,932 --> 00:00:32,895 He came to the United States on a valid tourist visa. 10 00:00:32,895 --> 00:00:37,537 He went to Atlanta first and stayed with some family and some friends and 11 00:00:38,198 --> 00:00:42,461 he did the thing a million upon millions of people do every year. 12 00:00:42,461 --> 00:00:47,284 The the whole thing that the state of Florida is built to sell you. 13 00:00:47,284 --> 00:00:50,506 He drove to the beach. He wanted to see the ocean. 14 00:00:51,006 --> 00:00:53,327 On july fourteenth, twenty twenty six, 15 00:00:53,327 --> 00:00:59,390 before seven in the morning, ICE and Homeland Security Investigations agents walked 16 00:00:59,390 --> 00:01:03,521 up to the car he was in at a gas station in St. 17 00:01:03,521 --> 00:01:07,473 Augustine, Florida. That's the oldest city in America. 18 00:01:07,473 --> 00:01:12,395 And no one to this day is yet to explain why they walked up to him. 19 00:01:12,395 --> 00:01:15,970 All four people in that car did what people do in the 20 00:01:16,606 --> 00:01:21,740 When a group of armed men with tactical gear come at them incredibly fast, 21 00:01:21,740 --> 00:01:25,763 they ran. Fight a fight or flight response kicked in. 22 00:01:25,763 --> 00:01:30,526 Juan ran across State Road sixteen and slipped on the grass in the median, 23 00:01:30,526 --> 00:01:33,088 and he was hit by a tractor trailer. 24 00:01:33,088 --> 00:01:37,041 He died there on the ground, on vacation. 25 00:01:37,541 --> 00:01:42,005 The Department of Homeland Security won't confirm that he had a valid visa, 26 00:01:42,005 --> 00:01:45,228 but he did. They just won't say it. 27 00:01:45,228 --> 00:01:48,151 DHS cites the ongoing investigation. 28 00:01:48,151 --> 00:01:52,575 Everybody cites the ongoing investigation. 29 00:01:52,575 --> 00:01:55,317 But his body was flown home to Mexico, 30 00:01:55,317 --> 00:01:58,250 commercial flight straight out of Orlando. 31 00:01:58,750 --> 00:02:00,210 This guy came to see the beach. 32 00:02:00,710 --> 00:02:03,788 And they put him in the cargo hold of a plane going the other way. 33 00:02:19,065 --> 00:02:21,317 Hey everybody, welcome to the overlap. 34 00:02:21,317 --> 00:02:27,122 I'm Joshua. This is the show about power and labor and the machinery 35 00:02:27,122 --> 00:02:32,687 of American injustice. You know the parts that they don't put in the brochure. 36 00:02:32,687 --> 00:02:34,719 So Will's not in the room today, 37 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:36,581 another solo episode. We missed you, 38 00:02:36,581 --> 00:02:40,433 brother, hold it down. But I want to talk about a dead man on vacation. 39 00:02:40,433 --> 00:02:44,246 And I want to be clear up front that I'm not talking about Mitch McConnell. 40 00:02:44,746 --> 00:02:47,647 But let's talk about what this episode is and it isn't. 41 00:02:47,647 --> 00:02:52,668 It's not about how ICE could do better about reforms or body cameras 42 00:02:52,668 --> 00:02:57,299 or better training. I'll talk about all of that because it's in the record, 43 00:02:57,299 --> 00:03:01,870 right? And I'm not going to hide my actual position in the second half 44 00:03:01,870 --> 00:03:03,271 of the show like I usually do. 45 00:03:03,271 --> 00:03:07,812 The position is that ICE should not exist. 46 00:03:07,812 --> 00:03:11,234 Not reformed, not retrained, 47 00:03:11,234 --> 00:03:12,344 gone. 48 00:03:12,844 --> 00:03:16,817 Now I didn't arrive to that opinion from ideology. 49 00:03:16,817 --> 00:03:19,558 I arrived at it from the body count, 50 00:03:19,558 --> 00:03:24,782 from the last twelve months, from a list of names that keeps getting longer 51 00:03:24,982 --> 00:03:30,676 and longer while the people in charge go on Fox News and tell the critics that they 52 00:03:30,676 --> 00:03:33,428 should shut their mouths, they're making America safer. 53 00:03:33,428 --> 00:03:34,608 Well why now? 54 00:03:35,108 --> 00:03:38,019 Because on July 14th, a tourist died in St. 55 00:03:38,019 --> 00:03:40,279 Augustine and it barely made the national news. 56 00:03:40,279 --> 00:03:44,200 Because of, you know, by July of 2026, 57 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,711 a dead man after an ice encounter just doesn't seem to be news anymore because it's 58 00:03:48,711 --> 00:03:53,632 Tuesday and IC still exists. That's the part that should stop you cold. 59 00:03:53,632 --> 00:04:00,163 A man dying while running from federal agents at a gas station before dawn 60 00:04:00,284 --> 00:04:02,034 is now so damned routine. 61 00:04:02,484 --> 00:04:04,324 That it doesn't clear the noise floor. 62 00:04:04,824 --> 00:04:06,405 That's not because people don't care, 63 00:04:06,405 --> 00:04:08,437 I know people care, I care, you care, 64 00:04:08,437 --> 00:04:12,509 that's why you're here. Because the volume has made 65 00:04:12,509 --> 00:04:17,995 the individual deaths indistinguishable from the background radiation, 66 00:04:17,995 --> 00:04:21,248 the toxic sludge of this whole operation. 67 00:04:21,748 --> 00:04:26,250 Juan was, by the the count reporters were keeping, 68 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:32,322 at least the tenth fatality connected to immigration sweeps since this 69 00:04:32,322 --> 00:04:37,764 campaign started. And I say at least because ICE is demonstrated, 70 00:04:37,764 --> 00:04:42,406 documented in the record, that it will hide its own killings for the better part 71 00:04:42,406 --> 00:04:45,457 of a year if you let it. So ten is a floor, 72 00:04:45,457 --> 00:04:48,389 not a ceiling. So we're gonna do two things. 73 00:04:48,389 --> 00:04:49,389 We're gonna go back. 74 00:04:49,483 --> 00:04:50,763 Because that's where we start. 75 00:04:50,763 --> 00:04:57,146 Because the impulse to build an armed federal force that can grab people 76 00:04:57,146 --> 00:05:01,958 off of the streets with complete impunity and no accountability is 77 00:05:01,958 --> 00:05:04,669 now older and uglier than ICE. 78 00:05:04,669 --> 00:05:08,830 ICE is just the current uniform on this very old idea. 79 00:05:08,830 --> 00:05:13,471 And then we're gonna come all the way forward to the machine as it runs right now. 80 00:05:13,471 --> 00:05:18,393 The $20 million body camera program. 81 00:05:18,734 --> 00:05:21,238 That produced almost no body cameras. 82 00:05:21,238 --> 00:05:26,285 And the ten point three billion dollars budget, 83 00:05:26,285 --> 00:05:28,980 the acting director who stood by his agents, 84 00:05:28,980 --> 00:05:33,185 the border czar, who said the bloodshed would continue. 85 00:05:33,685 --> 00:05:38,717 Because Juan didn't die because one agent made a mistake at a gas station. 86 00:05:38,717 --> 00:05:45,310 Juan died because of a system that was working exactly like it was designed to. 87 00:05:45,310 --> 00:05:47,611 So that's the argument. Let me build it. 88 00:05:48,111 --> 00:05:52,954 Let's go back to before the acronym to understand why a tourist is dead 89 00:05:52,954 --> 00:05:55,105 in Florida with nobody accountable. 90 00:05:55,105 --> 00:06:00,037 You have to understand that immigration enforcement in this country 91 00:06:00,037 --> 00:06:02,068 was never really about immigration. 92 00:06:02,068 --> 00:06:07,620 It was about a labor market. And who gets to be disposable inside 93 00:06:07,620 --> 00:06:10,802 of that labor market? And I want to start with something closer than 94 00:06:10,802 --> 00:06:14,834 the eighteen hundreds. Something that shows you the exact machinery that 95 00:06:14,834 --> 00:06:16,255 is still running right now. 96 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,421 It happened on march fifteenth, 97 00:06:18,421 --> 00:06:20,712 twenty twenty five in South Padre Island, 98 00:06:20,712 --> 00:06:23,663 Texas. His name was Ruben Ray Martinez, 99 00:06:23,663 --> 00:06:26,024 twenty three years old, a US citizen. 100 00:06:26,024 --> 00:06:29,436 I'm gonna repeat that a US citizen, 101 00:06:29,436 --> 00:06:35,449 not a green card holder, not a tourist in this country fully legally 102 00:06:35,449 --> 00:06:37,910 as a citizen within our borders. 103 00:06:38,410 --> 00:06:41,968 Because it keeps somehow not mattering to the people who should care. 104 00:06:41,968 --> 00:06:46,827 Ruben Rey Martinez was an American citizen celebrating his birthday in 105 00:06:46,827 --> 00:06:48,281 a beach town in Texas. 106 00:06:48,781 --> 00:06:51,016 There'd been a car crash at a busy intersection. 107 00:06:51,016 --> 00:06:54,964 HSI agents, that's Homeland Security Investigations, 108 00:06:54,964 --> 00:06:57,017 that's ICE, were on the scene. 109 00:06:57,517 --> 00:07:01,478 In the version Ice tells, Reuben intentionally ran over an agent. 110 00:07:01,478 --> 00:07:05,199 Now his mother disputes that. A friend who was there disputes that. 111 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:09,741 An agent fired three shots through the driver's side window and killed the man. 112 00:07:09,741 --> 00:07:13,122 And then they handcuffed him before he got medical care. 113 00:07:13,122 --> 00:07:19,624 A twenty-three year old US citizen shot three times through his own car window, 114 00:07:19,624 --> 00:07:21,605 and the priority was handcuffed. 115 00:07:22,105 --> 00:07:25,308 Now ICE hid its involvement for nearly eleven months. 116 00:07:25,308 --> 00:07:29,772 His family knew he was dead. They didn't have the full story of 117 00:07:29,772 --> 00:07:33,886 who killed him because the agency that killed him decided that you didn't need 118 00:07:33,886 --> 00:07:37,589 to know. It only came out because a watchdog group called 119 00:07:37,589 --> 00:07:43,124 the American Oversight filed a FOIA lawsuit and it pried 120 00:07:43,124 --> 00:07:47,798 the internal documents loose. That's how accountability works in this system. 121 00:07:48,684 --> 00:07:52,711 A private organization has to sue the federal government to find 122 00:07:52,711 --> 00:07:56,800 out that the federal government shot an American citizen on his birthday. 123 00:07:57,300 --> 00:08:00,052 A Texas grand jury declined to indict, 124 00:08:00,052 --> 00:08:03,982 is anyone surprised? And the acting director of ICE, 125 00:08:03,982 --> 00:08:05,817 a man by the name of Todd Lyons, 126 00:08:05,817 --> 00:08:07,918 remember his name because he's a POS, 127 00:08:07,918 --> 00:08:10,921 but he stood by the decision. He stood by it. 128 00:08:10,921 --> 00:08:13,522 So why start here instead of a century ago? 129 00:08:13,522 --> 00:08:16,024 Because let's be honest, it's been going on a long time. 130 00:08:16,024 --> 00:08:20,588 We originally brought slaves into this country for the same reason. 131 00:08:21,088 --> 00:08:24,420 It's because this isn't a bug in a young program. 132 00:08:24,420 --> 00:08:28,793 This is the program. Within the first months of this deportation campaign, 133 00:08:28,793 --> 00:08:30,754 before the machine was even warm, 134 00:08:30,754 --> 00:08:35,356 it had already killed a person and hid it for the better part of a year 135 00:08:35,697 --> 00:08:38,898 and walked away spotless, smelling like a rose. 136 00:08:38,898 --> 00:08:42,481 That's a system succeeding at the thing it was built to do: 137 00:08:42,481 --> 00:08:47,203 to move human beings without friction and treat the ones who die 138 00:08:47,203 --> 00:08:48,324 as a rounding error. 139 00:08:48,824 --> 00:08:53,237 And that impulse, right, to to build a force like this is very, 140 00:08:53,237 --> 00:08:57,299 very old and genuinely very American. 141 00:08:57,299 --> 00:09:00,021 And the through line is always labor. 142 00:09:00,521 --> 00:09:02,323 For most of the twentieth century, 143 00:09:02,323 --> 00:09:05,606 immigration enforcement followed the same pattern. 144 00:09:05,606 --> 00:09:09,309 When the economy needed bodies for the fields, 145 00:09:09,309 --> 00:09:11,951 the rail lines, the meat packing floors, 146 00:09:11,951 --> 00:09:15,435 the border, it was a sort of a hazy suggestion. 147 00:09:15,435 --> 00:09:20,119 Come on in, we need you. When the economy softened or the politics turned, 148 00:09:20,119 --> 00:09:25,234 the same people who'd been invited became the target of raids and roundups 149 00:09:25,234 --> 00:09:26,655 and mass expulsions. 150 00:09:27,315 --> 00:09:31,028 The welcome mat and the deportation bus were the same policy, 151 00:09:31,028 --> 00:09:35,102 pointed in different directions depending on what the market wanted that year. 152 00:09:35,602 --> 00:09:38,934 In the nineteen fifties, this is the actual government name, 153 00:09:38,934 --> 00:09:45,227 Operation Wetback, the Eisenhower administration deported over a million people 154 00:09:45,227 --> 00:09:49,588 in one year. Military style sweeps through California and Texas, 155 00:09:49,588 --> 00:09:52,300 the people rounded up weren't strangers. 156 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:57,262 They were workers recruited by American agriculture who'd spent years 157 00:09:57,663 --> 00:10:00,044 in the fields that fed our country. 158 00:10:00,044 --> 00:10:02,405 And when the political pressure shifted, 159 00:10:02,405 --> 00:10:03,876 the invitation evaporated. 160 00:10:04,634 --> 00:10:09,090 That's the real deep root. The person is never a person in this system. 161 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:14,199 The person is a unit of labor whose legal status is a dial that gets turned 162 00:10:14,199 --> 00:10:15,902 by people who will never meet them. 163 00:10:16,402 --> 00:10:23,066 What got worse is that we built this standing armed federal police force around that 164 00:10:23,066 --> 00:10:29,451 mechanism, ICE. That was created in 2003 in a panic after 9-11, 165 00:10:29,451 --> 00:10:33,713 folded into a brand new department called Homeland Security. 166 00:10:33,713 --> 00:10:39,186 That framing Homeland Security is the whole trick. 167 00:10:39,686 --> 00:10:43,869 It took a labor market enforcement function and dressed it in 168 00:10:43,869 --> 00:10:46,961 the language of terrorism and national defense. 169 00:10:46,961 --> 00:10:53,044 So when an agent shoots a twenty three year old US citizen on his birthday, 170 00:10:53,044 --> 00:10:56,987 it gets filed under a security operation instead of what it actually is. 171 00:10:57,487 --> 00:11:01,438 I don't know if the people who built this kind of knew that that framing would 172 00:11:01,438 --> 00:11:03,558 let agents kill without consequence, 173 00:11:03,558 --> 00:11:09,379 but I know what they built. An agency inside the department least subject 174 00:11:09,379 --> 00:11:14,200 to the transparency rules that bind every local police officer I've ever met. 175 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,370 An agency built to operate everywhere, 176 00:11:17,370 --> 00:11:19,551 not just at the border but in Minneapolis, 177 00:11:19,551 --> 00:11:24,052 in Houston, in a gas station parking lot in the oldest city in America. 178 00:11:24,552 --> 00:11:28,234 Built from day one with a culture 179 00:11:28,234 --> 00:11:32,547 of concealment masks hidden. 180 00:11:32,547 --> 00:11:37,970 Eleven months of hiding a citizen's murder isn't new. 181 00:11:37,970 --> 00:11:41,432 It's the oldest instinct in this apparatus. 182 00:11:41,432 --> 00:11:46,145 The people it processes don't get to know what happened to them because they were 183 00:11:46,145 --> 00:11:49,977 never really people to it. They were units. 184 00:11:49,977 --> 00:11:52,319 And you don't owe a unit. 185 00:11:52,899 --> 00:11:57,686 An explanation. So when IC hid the killing of Ruben Ray Martinez, 186 00:11:57,686 --> 00:12:01,052 that's not a scandal that somehow broke this entire system, 187 00:12:01,052 --> 00:12:05,138 that's the system peeking its dumb little turtle head out of 188 00:12:05,138 --> 00:12:07,512 its shell and introducing itself. 189 00:12:07,512 --> 00:12:08,512 Hi there. 190 00:12:08,503 --> 00:12:10,414 So, citizen Shawna's birthday, 191 00:12:10,414 --> 00:12:11,535 keep that in the back of your head. 192 00:12:11,535 --> 00:12:14,677 Take the the handcuffs before medical care, 193 00:12:14,677 --> 00:12:17,718 take the eleven months of silence with you forward, 194 00:12:17,718 --> 00:12:21,140 because we're gonna walk into the summer of twenty twenty six and you're gonna 195 00:12:21,140 --> 00:12:26,163 see the exact same machine running faster with more money and a promise 196 00:12:26,163 --> 00:12:29,024 it made and broke every single time. 197 00:12:29,024 --> 00:12:31,765 Ten point three billion dollars. 198 00:12:31,765 --> 00:12:33,776 That's the ICE budget for twenty twenty six, 199 00:12:33,776 --> 00:12:34,907 in case you were curious. 200 00:12:35,407 --> 00:12:37,044 I can't feel a number that big. 201 00:12:37,044 --> 00:12:39,103 I'll never touch a number that big. 202 00:12:39,103 --> 00:12:40,103 You won't either. 203 00:12:40,356 --> 00:12:46,019 So let me shrink it down to one line item that you can actually hold in your hand 204 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:49,561 in a mind and in thought. $20 million. 205 00:12:49,561 --> 00:12:53,913 Not much better, right? But in April of 2026, 206 00:12:53,913 --> 00:12:57,585 Congress specifically appropriated $20 million 207 00:12:58,265 --> 00:13:04,038 for body-worn cameras for Department of Homeland Security law enforcement 208 00:13:04,038 --> 00:13:10,091 so that when someone dies, there's a record that isn't just a guy's word. 209 00:13:10,591 --> 00:13:12,002 Here's why that money existed. 210 00:13:12,002 --> 00:13:15,064 In January of 2026 in Minneapolis, 211 00:13:15,064 --> 00:13:20,587 an operation called Metro Surge killed two US citizens in 18 days. 212 00:13:20,587 --> 00:13:27,130 Renee Nicole Good on January 7th and Alex Jeffrey Pretti on January 24th. 213 00:13:27,130 --> 00:13:32,153 I talked about them all on this show in the past. 214 00:13:32,153 --> 00:13:36,615 Both deaths were caught on bystander cell phone video. 215 00:13:36,615 --> 00:13:37,816 And the 216 00:13:37,968 --> 00:13:40,109 Video contradicted the official accounts, 217 00:13:40,109 --> 00:13:46,302 not by a little, by a lot. When ordinary people could pull up camera footage 218 00:13:46,302 --> 00:13:49,253 on their phones and compare it to what DHS was saying, 219 00:13:49,253 --> 00:13:54,355 the legitimacy of the entire thing was cracked open wide and trust 220 00:13:54,696 --> 00:13:59,438 was forever broken for even people who think that ICE is a good thing. 221 00:13:59,938 --> 00:14:03,249 Now look, Minneapolis did what you're supposed to do in a democracy. 222 00:14:03,249 --> 00:14:06,050 Yes, Karen, it's also a republic. 223 00:14:06,050 --> 00:14:12,353 It's like saying all all rectangles are polygons, 224 00:14:12,353 --> 00:14:15,374 but not all polygons are rectangles. 225 00:14:15,874 --> 00:14:17,625 We have a democracy in this country. 226 00:14:17,625 --> 00:14:19,286 It's a representative democracy. 227 00:14:19,286 --> 00:14:23,358 50,000 people. Some counts said a hundred thousand in the streets. 228 00:14:23,358 --> 00:14:26,179 A Quinnapiak, I don't know how to say that. 229 00:14:26,179 --> 00:14:29,060 Quinapiak? Quinapiac? Quinapiac poll? 230 00:14:29,060 --> 00:14:34,603 Sure. Said that 82% of registered voters had seen a video of the shootings. 231 00:14:34,603 --> 00:14:38,965 That's a national consensus that something terrible happened. 232 00:14:38,965 --> 00:14:41,336 So DHS really didn't have a choice. 233 00:14:41,336 --> 00:14:42,547 They had to say something. 234 00:14:43,243 --> 00:14:49,797 So at the time, dumbfuck Barbie Christy Gnome pledged to rapidly acquire 235 00:14:49,797 --> 00:14:53,569 and deploy body cameras to all DHS law enforcement nationwide. 236 00:14:53,569 --> 00:14:56,350 Here's the detail that tells you it was theater. 237 00:14:56,350 --> 00:15:01,092 The same administration had originally proposed cutting the body camera program 238 00:15:01,092 --> 00:15:03,994 before the killings made cameras politically necessary. 239 00:15:03,994 --> 00:15:06,615 The rapid deployment wasn't a value, 240 00:15:06,615 --> 00:15:09,277 it was damage control. It was just a 241 00:15:09,432 --> 00:15:12,519 PR release with a verb in it, while the noun, 242 00:15:12,519 --> 00:15:16,147 the cameras, actually on bodies recording what agents do, 243 00:15:16,147 --> 00:15:18,432 has remained largely theoretical. 244 00:15:18,932 --> 00:15:21,053 And the truth is, Congress did it did its part. 245 00:15:21,053 --> 00:15:22,584 It did what they're supposed to. 246 00:15:22,584 --> 00:15:24,204 It controlled the purse strings and said, 247 00:15:24,204 --> 00:15:29,016 here, $20 million in April, folded into a bill that ended 248 00:15:29,016 --> 00:15:30,397 a partial government shutdown, 249 00:15:30,397 --> 00:15:34,339 real money, legally designated four cameras. 250 00:15:34,339 --> 00:15:37,560 Did the camera show up? By July, 251 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,402 ICE told Congress directly that less than one third of officers nationally 252 00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:44,353 had been issued a body camera. 253 00:15:44,853 --> 00:15:47,038 Three months after the money showed up, 254 00:15:47,038 --> 00:15:53,494 two out of every three agents in the field were still roaming around with impunity 255 00:15:53,514 --> 00:15:54,514 unwatched. 256 00:15:54,716 --> 00:15:56,858 That's why this lands on actual bodies. 257 00:15:56,858 --> 00:16:01,662 July seventh, Houston. Lorenzo Salgado Araujo, 258 00:16:01,662 --> 00:16:05,315 fifty two, lived in Houston for thirty five years, 259 00:16:05,315 --> 00:16:06,806 owned a construction business, 260 00:16:06,806 --> 00:16:11,991 no criminal record, was literally in the process of applying for legal status. 261 00:16:11,991 --> 00:16:15,774 He's driving his crew to a job site in his white van. 262 00:16:15,774 --> 00:16:19,477 ICE agents are surveilling a completely different target. 263 00:16:19,477 --> 00:16:22,650 And Lorenzo's van matches a description. 264 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:25,631 They stop the van, they shoot him in the abdomen, 265 00:16:25,631 --> 00:16:27,902 and he dies at Ben Taub Hospital. 266 00:16:27,902 --> 00:16:32,265 Ice says he weaponized his vehicle. 267 00:16:32,265 --> 00:16:33,765 Where have we heard that one before? 268 00:16:33,765 --> 00:16:37,847 Witnesses in the passengers say no agent was even in front of the van, 269 00:16:37,847 --> 00:16:40,428 and the shots came from the side of the van. 270 00:16:40,428 --> 00:16:43,870 There's no camera footage. The agents weren't wearing cameras. 271 00:16:43,870 --> 00:16:46,891 Ice later admitted he wasn't even the target. 272 00:16:46,891 --> 00:16:49,652 July thirteenth, six days later, 273 00:16:49,652 --> 00:16:50,863 Bidaford, Maine. 274 00:16:51,518 --> 00:16:55,639 Johann Sebastian Duran Guerrero twenty six, 275 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:58,780 legal work authorization, a pending asylum case, 276 00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:04,221 not the target of the operation is shot and killed by an ICE agent named David 277 00:17:04,341 --> 00:17:10,693 Michael Bruyette. No cameras. The DOJ initially refuses to share information with 278 00:17:10,693 --> 00:17:14,973 the state of Maine. Over five hundred people rallied in Portland and there 279 00:17:14,973 --> 00:17:16,874 was not one federal charge. 280 00:17:17,374 --> 00:17:19,025 July fourteenth, the next day, 281 00:17:19,025 --> 00:17:22,477 Saint Augustine won. No footage of the encounter. 282 00:17:22,477 --> 00:17:26,079 DHS won't even confirm that he had a visa to be here. 283 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:29,982 Three deaths, one week, zero cameras. 284 00:17:29,982 --> 00:17:35,095 An agency with ten point three billion dollars and 285 00:17:35,095 --> 00:17:38,347 a specific congressional appropriation for cameras, 286 00:17:38,347 --> 00:17:43,551 and not one agent involved in three murders was wearing one. 287 00:17:44,051 --> 00:17:48,817 Christy Nome was replaced as DHS Secretary in March of twenty twenty 288 00:17:48,817 --> 00:17:51,920 six by Marquine Mullen. Yes, 289 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,382 that's the pronunciation of his name. 290 00:17:53,382 --> 00:17:59,559 He is a former ~ senator or House of Representatives rep to the state of Oklahoma. 291 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:03,093 I know him very well. His office knows my name very well. 292 00:18:03,593 --> 00:18:08,039 The body camera rollout has stayed a joke under the under this joker. 293 00:18:08,539 --> 00:18:11,833 DHS has also refused to answer whether Juan had a valid visa, 294 00:18:11,833 --> 00:18:14,816 same instinct. The eleven months instinct. 295 00:18:14,816 --> 00:18:17,098 You don't get to know. Todd Lyons, 296 00:18:17,098 --> 00:18:20,362 the acting director, who stood by the grand jury on Rubin, 297 00:18:20,362 --> 00:18:23,945 is the one telling Congress about the one-third number standing 298 00:18:24,346 --> 00:18:26,018 by every public shooting. 299 00:18:26,518 --> 00:18:29,502 and saying that he stands with them consistently. 300 00:18:30,002 --> 00:18:34,774 And then Tom Homan, God, if I've ever met a man with a punchable face, 301 00:18:34,774 --> 00:18:39,046 the White House borders are. When the deaths piled up, 302 00:18:39,046 --> 00:18:44,628 Homan went on Fox News and warned that bloodshed would continue unless Democratic 303 00:18:44,628 --> 00:18:46,029 critics shut their mouth. 304 00:18:46,529 --> 00:18:49,262 He said he was afraid of having to bury an ICE agent. 305 00:18:49,262 --> 00:18:52,145 When pressed on the civilian deaths, 306 00:18:52,145 --> 00:18:55,268 the citizens, the tourists, the legal residents, 307 00:18:55,268 --> 00:18:59,233 his agents had murdered, he wouldn't address them. 308 00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:01,395 He redirected every single time. 309 00:19:01,395 --> 00:19:03,257 The bloodshed will continue. 310 00:19:03,757 --> 00:19:07,242 That's the man in charge saying the quiet part into a microphone, 311 00:19:07,242 --> 00:19:10,756 into a megaphone. It's horrific. 312 00:19:10,756 --> 00:19:13,129 Not a warning about, you know, 313 00:19:13,129 --> 00:19:15,082 like this is a problem, we need to solve it. 314 00:19:15,082 --> 00:19:19,017 A promise about a policy being maintained. 315 00:19:19,517 --> 00:19:21,248 The mechanism's not hidden, folks. 316 00:19:21,248 --> 00:19:23,469 ten point three billion dollars. 317 00:19:23,469 --> 00:19:28,611 An armed force that operates everywhere. 318 00:19:28,611 --> 00:19:33,393 A body camera program funded and not delivered 319 00:19:33,893 --> 00:19:39,136 on purpose because footage is a liability and darkness is an asset. 320 00:19:39,136 --> 00:19:43,547 Leadership that stands by every shooting hides the details 321 00:19:43,547 --> 00:19:44,658 and threatens the critics. 322 00:19:45,158 --> 00:19:48,552 Why does this still happen? Because it's working. 323 00:19:48,552 --> 00:19:52,015 Nobody's been charged. The velocity is up, 324 00:19:52,015 --> 00:19:55,840 the money is flowing. From the perspective of the people running it, 325 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,322 there's no problem to fix here. 326 00:19:57,822 --> 00:20:01,263 Let's go back to Juan. Because in this episode, 327 00:20:01,263 --> 00:20:06,214 he's getting his own. We're gonna say his name and we're gonna refuse 328 00:20:06,214 --> 00:20:10,205 to let Juan just be a data point in this episode. 329 00:20:10,205 --> 00:20:13,586 Juan Jairo Coronilla Duran, 330 00:20:13,586 --> 00:20:16,547 San Luis de la Paz, Guanajuato, 331 00:20:16,547 --> 00:20:20,568 28 years old. He gets a valid tourist visa, 332 00:20:20,568 --> 00:20:22,639 goes to Atlanta with his family and friends. 333 00:20:23,139 --> 00:20:24,920 There's laughing in that, a couch, 334 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,012 meals, somebody's kids running around. 335 00:20:27,012 --> 00:20:31,055 Then he does the most ordinary thing a person can do in this country. 336 00:20:31,055 --> 00:20:33,678 He decides he wants to go to Florida. 337 00:20:33,678 --> 00:20:36,820 He wants to see what it's like to be a Florida man. 338 00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:39,441 He heads east. He's got a wife, 339 00:20:39,441 --> 00:20:41,983 Jessica, a seven year old baby boy, 340 00:20:41,983 --> 00:20:46,827 a baby girl seven months old, and at a gas station in Saint Augustine before seven 341 00:20:46,827 --> 00:20:51,371 in the morning, men with guns and badges and bulletproof vests are 342 00:20:51,705 --> 00:20:54,997 Walk up to his car and nobody has explained why. 343 00:20:54,997 --> 00:20:58,399 What was the intelligence? What were they looking for? 344 00:20:58,399 --> 00:21:02,262 It certainly wasn't him, he couldn't have been on a list anywhere. 345 00:21:02,262 --> 00:21:06,829 It's never the person. It's a van that matched the description, 346 00:21:06,829 --> 00:21:09,566 a a car at a gas station, the wrong guy, 347 00:21:09,566 --> 00:21:13,639 over and over and over. He was brown. 348 00:21:14,139 --> 00:21:16,161 This operation generates motion. 349 00:21:16,161 --> 00:21:21,198 The motion generates contact. The contact generates death, 350 00:21:21,198 --> 00:21:26,214 and the death generates a citation of an ongoing investigation, 351 00:21:26,214 --> 00:21:27,496 and that's the i that's the loop. 352 00:21:27,496 --> 00:21:30,029 That's the whole thing. Look, he ran. 353 00:21:30,529 --> 00:21:32,910 People ask why he'd run if he was legal. 354 00:21:32,910 --> 00:21:37,613 Look, guys, you're at a gas station at dawn. 355 00:21:37,613 --> 00:21:41,105 Armed men rush your vehicle, 356 00:21:41,105 --> 00:21:43,366 three other people in your car take off, 357 00:21:43,366 --> 00:21:46,137 you run. That's not a confession. 358 00:21:46,137 --> 00:21:51,520 That is our central nervous system giving us two options fight or flight. 359 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,272 And he didn't fight back. He ran because he was scared. 360 00:21:57,086 --> 00:22:00,725 Because that is what our central nervous system tells us to do. 361 00:22:01,225 --> 00:22:03,706 He ran across the road, slipped on wet grass, 362 00:22:03,706 --> 00:22:07,206 and a truck killed him. They flew his body home in the belly of 363 00:22:07,206 --> 00:22:09,077 a commercial plane out of Orlando. 364 00:22:09,077 --> 00:22:12,818 His seven month year old daughter will not remember his face. 365 00:22:12,818 --> 00:22:17,159 His wife had to retrieve him at an airport in Mexico, 366 00:22:17,159 --> 00:22:23,391 and the government of the country he came to visit as a tourist with permission will 367 00:22:23,391 --> 00:22:25,722 not even confirm that he had permission. 368 00:22:26,222 --> 00:22:29,505 Now put him next to Ruben Ray Martinez. 369 00:22:29,505 --> 00:22:32,407 Ruben was a citizen. Juan was a tourist. 370 00:22:32,407 --> 00:22:34,959 In the fantasy version of this system, 371 00:22:34,959 --> 00:22:37,451 this status is supposed to mean something. 372 00:22:37,451 --> 00:22:41,074 Both, by the rules that this system claims to run on, 373 00:22:41,074 --> 00:22:44,837 were people had that had no business killing. 374 00:22:44,837 --> 00:22:47,759 Both of those are dead. In both cases, 375 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:52,643 no charges. In Rubin's case, a grand jury declined to indict, 376 00:22:52,643 --> 00:22:54,845 and the director stood by it after eleven months. 377 00:22:55,195 --> 00:22:58,692 Of purposeful concealment of the case. 378 00:22:58,692 --> 00:23:02,258 And in Juan's case, they won't even release the details of why his 379 00:23:02,258 --> 00:23:03,721 car was even approached. 380 00:23:04,221 --> 00:23:06,492 The legal status does not protect you. 381 00:23:06,492 --> 00:23:11,423 The whole justification for this bullshit We're going after people 382 00:23:11,423 --> 00:23:17,295 who broke the law. It collapses the second you line up the actual dead people. 383 00:23:17,295 --> 00:23:22,177 A citizen on his birthday, a tourist with a visa on vacation, 384 00:23:22,177 --> 00:23:28,119 a thirty five year Houston resident in the process to get his green card, 385 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,331 a Colombian man with a legal work authorization and pending asylum. 386 00:23:32,831 --> 00:23:36,573 Lorenzo Salgado Aurajo left behind a business, 387 00:23:36,573 --> 00:23:40,695 a crew, a family, a son named Ronaldo? 388 00:23:40,695 --> 00:23:45,798 Johann Durangero left behind a partner and a three year old little girl. 389 00:23:45,798 --> 00:23:50,220 Ruben's mother, Rachel Reyes, is still waiting sixteen months now 390 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:56,173 for justice for her son. And Jessica La Mia is a widow with two kids because 391 00:23:56,173 --> 00:23:57,844 her husband wanted to see the ocean. 392 00:23:58,392 --> 00:23:59,799 He wanted to see the water, folks. 393 00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:02,122 That is n that is a human desire. 394 00:24:02,622 --> 00:24:06,110 And I think about this seven month old little girl that will grow up 395 00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:08,926 in a house where her father is just a story. 396 00:24:08,926 --> 00:24:12,242 And the place where that man should be just has a hole in it. 397 00:24:12,742 --> 00:24:17,463 Exactly the shape of an explanation that DHS decided she wasn't entitled to. 398 00:24:17,463 --> 00:24:20,384 Why did you walk up to the car, 399 00:24:20,384 --> 00:24:24,844 Mama? Nobody ever said Miha. The government cited an ongoing investigation 400 00:24:24,844 --> 00:24:27,545 and kept citing it and time passed and nobody got charged. 401 00:24:27,545 --> 00:24:32,446 And the investigation closed into silence and the hole stayed the shape it was. 402 00:24:32,446 --> 00:24:35,667 That is the human cost of this darkness. 403 00:24:35,667 --> 00:24:39,118 That's not just an evidentiary gap in a court case, 404 00:24:39,118 --> 00:24:40,308 a permanent hole in the world. 405 00:24:40,548 --> 00:24:44,434 In a child's understanding of why her father died, 406 00:24:44,434 --> 00:24:47,459 that no lawsuit, no FOIA request, 407 00:24:47,459 --> 00:24:50,083 no watchdog organization can close, 408 00:24:50,083 --> 00:24:53,558 because the footage that would have answered the question was never recorded. 409 00:24:54,058 --> 00:24:56,419 The bloodshed will continue, Holman said, 410 00:24:56,419 --> 00:25:01,722 and he was right. The blood keeps belonging to citizens and tourists 411 00:25:01,882 --> 00:25:04,724 and asylum seekers and construction bosses, 412 00:25:04,724 --> 00:25:08,296 and the man who said it still sitting fat in his office. 413 00:25:08,796 --> 00:25:12,198 Let me pull these two threads together because really they're just one thread. 414 00:25:12,198 --> 00:25:17,742 Thread one, ICE kills people who aren't the targets of its operations. 415 00:25:17,742 --> 00:25:20,584 Tourists, citizens, legal residents, 416 00:25:20,584 --> 00:25:24,627 and faces no criminal accountability whatsoever, 417 00:25:24,627 --> 00:25:28,289 forever. End of story. And thread two, 418 00:25:28,289 --> 00:25:34,454 the body camera promise is made and funded and broken every time, 419 00:25:34,454 --> 00:25:35,915 which means there's never footage. 420 00:25:36,299 --> 00:25:38,050 To contradict the official account, 421 00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:40,722 which means ICE's word becomes the record. 422 00:25:40,722 --> 00:25:43,583 Functionally, the only version of events. 423 00:25:43,583 --> 00:25:47,711 Put those together and you get an armed federal agency, 424 00:25:47,711 --> 00:25:50,567 a gestapo, that kills the wrong people, 425 00:25:50,567 --> 00:25:53,569 controls the only narrative of how they died, 426 00:25:53,569 --> 00:25:57,891 and answers to no one. That's not a broken system. 427 00:25:57,891 --> 00:25:59,902 That is a complete system. 428 00:26:00,402 --> 00:26:04,083 Kill without accountability, narrate without contradiction, 429 00:26:04,083 --> 00:26:06,633 threaten anyone who complains about it, 430 00:26:06,633 --> 00:26:10,184 and shut your damn mouth. That's not dysfunction, 431 00:26:10,184 --> 00:26:15,966 that is a design. This whole thing was never about immigration as a moral category. 432 00:26:15,966 --> 00:26:22,208 It was about controlling a labor market by making a class of human beings disposable 433 00:26:22,708 --> 00:26:27,039 and turning their legal status into a dial that you could turn. 434 00:26:27,539 --> 00:26:31,784 When a person is a unit, you don't owe them a body camera, 435 00:26:31,784 --> 00:26:35,598 an explanation, or their widow a phone call, 436 00:26:35,598 --> 00:26:38,181 you process them. If one dies while in processing, 437 00:26:38,181 --> 00:26:41,085 that's shrinkage, the cost of doing business. 438 00:26:41,585 --> 00:26:44,077 That's why Juan being a tourist matters so much. 439 00:26:44,577 --> 00:26:48,910 He wasn't even part of the labor market that they're claiming to police. 440 00:26:49,410 --> 00:26:54,542 He was a customer, exactly the person Florida's tourism economy is built to attract. 441 00:26:54,542 --> 00:26:56,683 Come see the beaches, bring your family, 442 00:26:56,683 --> 00:26:59,924 spend your money. And the machine murdered him anyway. 443 00:26:59,924 --> 00:27:02,345 Because it doesn't distinguish. 444 00:27:02,345 --> 00:27:05,425 It was built to grab first and sort out later, 445 00:27:05,425 --> 00:27:09,008 and later is a luxury that a dead person doesn't get. 446 00:27:09,008 --> 00:27:12,349 Eleven months of concealing Rubin's death isn't the exception, 447 00:27:12,349 --> 00:27:16,421 it's the promise. It's the agency telling you exactly how much accountability you're 448 00:27:16,421 --> 00:27:17,421 gonna get. 449 00:27:17,455 --> 00:27:18,887 As little as legally possible, 450 00:27:18,887 --> 00:27:20,699 extended as long as legally possible, 451 00:27:20,699 --> 00:27:23,223 and none of it at all if they can help. 452 00:27:23,723 --> 00:27:28,416 That's why the idea that reform is the answer is a categorical error. 453 00:27:28,416 --> 00:27:33,939 You can't add cameras to an agency whose core competency is darkness. 454 00:27:33,939 --> 00:27:37,761 Twenty million dollars proved that they had the money, 455 00:27:37,761 --> 00:27:40,132 they had the legal authorization, 456 00:27:40,132 --> 00:27:44,345 the mandate, and eighty-two percent of the country having seen the videos 457 00:27:44,545 --> 00:27:49,468 and they still didn't put damn cameras on the damn agents who killed Lorenzo Johan 458 00:27:49,628 --> 00:27:51,569 or stood at the gas station where Juan died. 459 00:27:52,069 --> 00:27:55,211 That was not inability. It was intent. 460 00:27:55,211 --> 00:27:59,533 Twenty million dollars against a ten point three billion dollar budget 461 00:27:59,533 --> 00:28:04,385 is a rounding error. They could have bought every camera needed for every agent 462 00:28:04,385 --> 00:28:06,337 in the field and had money left over, 463 00:28:06,337 --> 00:28:10,559 but they chose not to, because a system built on treating people 464 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:15,322 as disposable has no use for a device that records their disposal. 465 00:28:15,822 --> 00:28:17,473 Camera isn't a tool the system wants. 466 00:28:17,473 --> 00:28:20,175 It's a threat to its fundamental operating logic. 467 00:28:20,175 --> 00:28:22,777 So the question is not how do we make ice safer? 468 00:28:22,777 --> 00:28:28,760 It's why does a country that can't claims to believe in due process operate 469 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,343 an armed security force whose entire function is to deny due process? 470 00:28:33,343 --> 00:28:38,107 And once you ask it that way, there's only one honest answer with what to 471 00:28:38,107 --> 00:28:41,709 do with a machine like that. You don't figure out how to tune it, 472 00:28:41,709 --> 00:28:42,899 you turn it off. 473 00:28:43,399 --> 00:28:45,500 Here's what you should be watching more closely now. 474 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:49,963 Watch out for the phrase ongoing investigation and watch it over and over again. 475 00:28:49,963 --> 00:28:51,243 It sounds like accountability, 476 00:28:51,243 --> 00:28:53,965 like the wheels are turning, it's definitely not that. 477 00:28:53,965 --> 00:28:57,467 It's the mechanism of the eleven months and how they hid Ruben 478 00:28:57,467 --> 00:28:59,308 Rey Martinez for nearly a year, 479 00:28:59,308 --> 00:29:03,450 and and how they're hiding whatever happened at that gas station to Juan. 480 00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:05,912 Every time an agency says it, start a clock. 481 00:29:05,912 --> 00:29:10,524 And watch how many of those investigations ever produce a single charge against 482 00:29:10,524 --> 00:29:11,524 a single agent. 483 00:29:12,071 --> 00:29:13,955 And they take advantage of that and they weaponize it. 484 00:29:13,955 --> 00:29:15,397 They know you're not going to pay attention. 485 00:29:15,397 --> 00:29:18,964 As of this recording across at least ten deaths, 486 00:29:18,964 --> 00:29:20,046 that number is zero. 487 00:29:20,546 --> 00:29:24,022 Ten dead, zero charged, and everything else is noise designed to keep 488 00:29:24,022 --> 00:29:25,778 you from figuring that out. 489 00:29:26,278 --> 00:29:27,889 Juan came here on a tourist visa. 490 00:29:27,889 --> 00:29:29,670 He was, in the most literal sense, 491 00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:31,251 a paying guest to the United States. 492 00:29:31,251 --> 00:29:36,295 Florida spends fortunes advertising its beaches to exactly this kind of person. 493 00:29:36,295 --> 00:29:38,256 Come see us, bring your family. 494 00:29:38,256 --> 00:29:40,818 And when he died running from federal agents who never explained 495 00:29:40,818 --> 00:29:44,581 why they approached him, the government's response was to refuse to confirm 496 00:29:44,581 --> 00:29:48,383 he was allowed to be there. We invited him to visit and killed 497 00:29:48,383 --> 00:29:52,386 him by accident during an operation that wasn't even for him, 498 00:29:52,386 --> 00:29:55,368 and then denied him the dignity of admitting. 499 00:29:55,804 --> 00:29:59,609 That he was our guest, because admitting it would make the story worse. 500 00:29:59,609 --> 00:30:04,226 The visa becomes a secret because the truth is inconvenient to the killing. 501 00:30:04,726 --> 00:30:06,037 Learn the names of the agents. 502 00:30:06,037 --> 00:30:09,460 There's one on record, David Michael Bruliette, 503 00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:15,184 the agent in Maine. And that name exists because people fought to make it exist. 504 00:30:15,184 --> 00:30:19,738 Because advocates and journalists and state officials pushed back against 505 00:30:19,738 --> 00:30:23,891 a government that wanted the shooter to stay a faceless representative 506 00:30:23,891 --> 00:30:28,935 of an institution. The default in this system of is anonymity for the shooter 507 00:30:28,935 --> 00:30:30,676 and a permanent secret for the family. 508 00:30:30,676 --> 00:30:33,879 So the most radical thing that we can do. 509 00:30:34,537 --> 00:30:38,608 Is refusing to let these people be just faceless ice agents. 510 00:30:38,608 --> 00:30:41,449 When you talk about these murders, 511 00:30:41,449 --> 00:30:44,450 attach the human names on both sides, 512 00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:47,461 Juan and Lorenzo and Ruben, and Renee, 513 00:30:47,461 --> 00:30:51,532 and Alex and Johan, and the agents when we can get them. 514 00:30:51,532 --> 00:30:56,334 Because a system built on darkness cannot survive being named out loud over 515 00:30:56,434 --> 00:30:59,325 and over by ordinary people who refuse to stop. 516 00:30:59,825 --> 00:31:01,366 I know this was a dark one, guys, 517 00:31:01,366 --> 00:31:03,407 but that's the overlap for this week. 518 00:31:03,407 --> 00:31:05,888 You can find us in all of the usual places, 519 00:31:05,888 --> 00:31:11,062 FOF dot foundation. You can find us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. 520 00:31:11,062 --> 00:31:12,933 Please give us a rating if you haven't already. 521 00:31:12,933 --> 00:31:17,056 Say a name today, say Juan, say it to somebody who hasn't heard it. 522 00:31:17,056 --> 00:31:18,597 His daughter, seven months old, 523 00:31:18,597 --> 00:31:20,919 and she's going to need us to remember for her. 524 00:31:20,919 --> 00:31:22,230 We'll see you next week. 525 00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:23,730 Bye.