The Powell Memo: A Blueprint for a Class War - Part 1
Ep. 32

The Powell Memo: A Blueprint for a Class War - Part 1

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Join us as we explore the Powell Memo, a secret blueprint for corporate power. Uncover the history of how a 1971 memo from a lawyer for the tobacco industry turned US Supreme Court Justice helped shape the political landscape of the modern world.

Sources:

https://www.helleniscope.com/2025/07/31/august-1971-the-day-a-french-warship-came-to-new-york-to-repatriate-french-gold/

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_court_cases_involving_the_American_Civil_Liberties_Union

Michael Dukakis interview on YouTube.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgRcQRmiEmk

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August 1971. The American dream is running a fever. The dollar just came untethered from gold.

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The Vietnam War is a wound that just won't close. And a guy named Ralph Nader is convincing housewives

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that their new Chevrolet might just be a death trap. For the men in the wood paneled boardrooms,

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it felt like the apocalypse. So one of them, a quiet, impeccably dressed lawyer for the tobacco

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industry, sat down and wrote a memo. It was a confidential battle plan, a call to arms for a

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class war. He didn't just want to win an argument. He wanted to rewrite the rules of America. And the

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terrifying thing is he did. This is the story of the Powell Memo, the secret blueprint.

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That built the world we're living in right now.

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And welcome back everyone to the podcast. This is the overlap. I am your co-host Joshua. And with

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me is your favorite co-host, William Wilde. Say hello. Hello, everybody. We hope that you are as

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excited as we are about this topic. You probably have actually never heard of this. In fact,

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unless you do a whole lot of deep digging into right wing historical archives, you probably never

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even heard of this guy. He actually was up for Supreme Court justice. His name is Louis F Powell

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Jr. But we are excited to talk to you. If you're new to the podcast, welcome. We are a podcast that

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talks about the intersection of politics and the intersection of economic and class issues. We talk

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about a lot of technology because both of us are technologists in some form or fashion, and we each

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have our specialty, mind being technology, and will being predominantly everything else. So we are,

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we're happy to have you here today if it's your first time. If it is your first time,

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Not my first time, Joshua, but I'll give you a thumbs up, two thumbs up even.

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Thanks for that. Thanks. Who's got two thumbs up for this guy?

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Yeah. By the way, fun fact that I actually just remembered, um, not really relevant to anything

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except Louis F Powell Jr. But I was actually, back in my days as a litigator, as an attorney,

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I was opposite his grandson in a lawsuit in Virginia. It was very exciting stuff.

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To me, it's always funny that these things happen in places that you don't associate with like,

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you know, progressive tendencies. Right. Like tobacco farms of-

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Exactly. It's like, it's like the garbages places in the country. No, no offense. You know,

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Virginia's for lovers and everything. And I love Virginia, but like these were like old school,

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you know, still had ideas about the civil war and felt that they were, their families were hurt,

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but yeah. So there is a connection there, is what you're saying. There is a random unrelated one,

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but nevertheless, Hey, it's the, uh, it's the two degrees of the overlap instead of Kevin Bacon.

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Well, let's get started to talk about this, uh, piece of work.

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So first of all, let me just say this, uh, this specifically relates to a memo, uh, in 1971, we're

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going to, we're going to talk about a couple of things in 1971, um, that all kind of culminated

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around, um, you know, the end of America, no big deal. Um, and kind of a lot of the origins of

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the things that we're literally seeing today, really 1971, there's just, there's just no way

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around it, but specifically this, this whole, uh, Powell memo. So we're going to talk a little bit

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about, about the man, the myth, the legend, Louis F. Powell Jr. Uh, we're going to talk about kind

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of what formed him, what shaped him as well as kind of the sociopolitical, uh, situation that was

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surrounding the 1960s in the 1970s and through the lens of how it related to Powell. Um, and then

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we're going, we're going to bring it back to the memo, exactly what it says. Now we're not going

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to be reading the memo for you today. It's 34 pages long. And I did read the, the memo, you can access

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it. It's in the federal archives. It's long, it's convoluted. A lot of it is really, uh, pompous

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and written from a very, like, uh, a very high horse, I guess I should say, um, it's sort of a

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confidential memo between friends. Yes. Uh, between him and all of the power players in the country,

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the U S chamber of commerce, a lot of the things that we're seeing now, we're going to tie them

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back. Oh, kind of where they came from, what the strategies were listed and some of the organizations

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that we're seeing affect our real world politics every day and how, how that has been actioned

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into what we are seeing today. Maybe in a, in a later time, we'll kind of talk about how to

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fight that. But I think we do that a little bit all the time anyway, right? I mean, we, we talk

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about how to fight these things, but I think it's important to kind of take a rewind and take a

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historical look at why these things happened and why they existed. And so when I was broaching this

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topic with will to do the podcast, he was receptive to it, but it's, it's just a very lesser known

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thing in the, in the world of understanding where we come from, why we're here now from where we

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came from. And so, you know, a lot of times it's easy to go, yes, it all started with a Reagan,

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but really it started before that. And this is, this is one of those things that actually led to

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Reagan really was just like we've talked about Trump being before they were the symptom, right?

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We're, we're trying to rewind and figure out the cause because I think that only when you,

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you really truly understand history, can you sort of help from repeating it. What are your thoughts?

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I agree. I think it's, it's bizarre how important a pivotal a year in 1971 actually was.

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I don't think anybody really saw that coming, but it definitely makes a top 10 list of most

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influential years in the history of our country. Maybe even a top five, right? A lot, a lot of

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forces coming together, opposing forces and various things. I mean, no one will get into it,

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so I won't spoil anything, but there's some crazy things that happened that year.

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And this was one of the crazier ones. Absolutely. Well, would you like to,

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to kind of give us a little background? Sure. So we have Louis F Powell Jr., a future Supreme

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Court justice. In fact, he would be nominated two weeks, two months after sending this memo in.

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And Mr. Powell was very pleased with the free enterprise system, let's say put it that way.

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He found a lot to love there and felt like it was under attack from all sorts of crazies,

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like socialists and communists and minorities and just people who didn't like big business and the

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way they ran, ran rough shot over its consumers. And so he took it upon himself to contact the,

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the powers that be in the form of the US chamber of commerce in order to express his concerns

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and recruit them to this plan that he had to save America from, from the lefties,

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the leftists and the revolutionaries. Yes.

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That's what the memo, that's where the memo is coming from. It's his sort of plan to save America

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and his, his playbook for how that was going to happen. So let's talk about, about a little

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bit earlier Louis F Powell Jr. Right. He was, he was, he didn't see himself as a, as a big idea

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man, ready to go and ready to burn a new path. He was really just a picture of exactly what the

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American establishment was going for. He was the epitome of the American dream, so to speak.

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Very much the corporate lawyer. Yes, he had his beautiful little pattern tie and, and, uh, was a,

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kind of a dangerous display of emotion. So he was born in Virginia. So it's not coincidental that

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you might've ran into his grandson practicing law there, but he was an absolute academic powerhouse

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superstar. He was magna cum laude. He was in Phi Beta Kappa. He was the president of the student

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body at Washington and Lee university. He was first in his class at law school. Uh, and then he,

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then he got a master's from Harvard, you know, just for an extra helping of fun. And then after that,

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he became a partner at the Richmond law firm and was pretty classic corporate lawyer, exactly what

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you'd expect, you know, very polished, very, um, very quiet and on the outside, but, but also a

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storm brewing on the inside. He's the kind of person who sits on like the board of kind of

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everything, right? All the major companies and, and is kind of considered this pillar of American

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legal establishment of, as the law, right. But beneath that, right, was a, was a, I guess a mind

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kind of created in a very specific kind of conflict during world war II Powell wasn't,

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wasn't like the infantry, you know, he wasn't cleaning guns and eating MREs. He was an

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intelligence officer. So he worked on the top secret ultra project, which I'm sure eventually

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we're going to cover, but it was a, of MK Ultra fame. Yes. And, and so it was a unit really

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dedicated to interpreting the, uh, the German communications, not the drug MK ultra one.

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Okay. Different ultra project. Yes, different ultra project. So his job was basically to sit in a

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room and analyze signals that were coming in from, from German soldiers, right. And figure out

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patterns and map out the enemy strategy, um, from what he could pick up. So that experiment, I mean,

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that experience that he had doing that was, was kind of pivotal in the memo that we kind of see

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later. So when he looked out at the, the goings on in the 1960s and seventies, we had, you know,

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student protestors and consumer advocates and, and, um, civil rights leaders, you know, he,

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he didn't see this like messy democratic society trying to figure out how to change. He saw a

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coordinated attack. He saw it as a specific vector. He saw enemy combatants sort of engaged in

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what he actually called guerrilla warfare. I think already we're starting to see a pattern

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in what we're dealing with now. So much like everything the hammer sees as a nail,

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everything the soldier sees is an enemy combatant, right? Exactly. The warrior for the free enterprise

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system. A hundred percent. Okay. So long even before then powell was, was deeply troubled by

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another person who, who sort of challenged the system that as we think of it and that person

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was the both the famed and the troublesome Martin Luther King jr. throughout the 1960s. And I mean,

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I'm sure if you're listening from our audience, you, you are familiar with the works of Dr. Keefe,

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but throughout the sixties when he served as the Powell served as the president of the American

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bar association, he delivered a series of like speeches and wrote articles, basically denouncing

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the core tactic of the civil rights movement, which was civil disobedience. And he called it heresy,

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specifically said it was fundamentally inconsistent with the rule of law.

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And he thought it was a threat to the foundations of our system of government.

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He was very, very upset, especially by King's letter from a Birmingham jail,

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because the idea that an individual had some sort of, and to quote Dr. King, a moral responsibility

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to disobey unjust laws. Powell felt like it was absurd, right? He, he mocked it, even called it a

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doctrine of anarchy that provided kind of no basis for an organized society. So for Powell,

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the constitution was not a vehicle for reform, like, like progressive see it. He thought of it

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as a sacred set of procedures. So once the, the Supreme court in Brown versus board of education,

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sort of dismantled educational segregation, Powell believed that the law had done all it could for

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black Americans. Absolutely hands down. He thought that that Brown versus board of education was the

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epitome of what the United States could do for black Americans. Anything else, anything else,

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economic justice for what King called compensatory justice to make up for centuries of slavery and

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Jim Crow were in his views. And to quote him, we're reckless extremists. So this kind of reveals the

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underlying river of his worldview, right? His primary allegiance was not to justice or quality,

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but it was to order and the preservation of our existing system. So. The system of itself was

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ultimately sound, right? The problem was that people were attacking it from the outside and

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that's kind of the way he saw it. Sounds like his position was sort of that there's no such thing as

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an unjust law. If it's the law, it's his justice. It is inherently perfect. Right. Just fine when

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you're on the inside, but you find yourself on the wrong side of an unjust law. It's a little

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different. Exactly. So if you, if you even did so much as like appealing to a higher moral law,

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he was like, no, that's not possible because the law is the highest moral law. And Dr. King

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frequently cited the Bible, which most of his persuasion would say is a higher moral law,

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and that doesn't fly for Powell. Exactly. So now I want to, I want to kind of throw in here. He was

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working for big tobacco during, during all of this. Okay. So and granted, you know, we didn't know

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then, well, I don't know, it was the sixties, right? Like, I mean, ultimately we were starting to know

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then. I think some people knew. Yeah. At the time he was meeting in. Yeah. They knew. For sure. That,

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yeah. Well yeah, that's right. They had that big expose, right? Where they, they have like recordings

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and like notes where they, they were being told at this time that it was, it was directly linked to

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cancer. So yeah, along that vein, right? The, the world in his eyes was kind of being bombarded and

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under siege by this hardened strategic doctrine, right? Like in the trenches of the, the great

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corporate culture war. So you had this big tobacco versus kind of the American public situation,

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right? So 1964, Powell actually joined the director board of directors of Philip Morris.

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So this was not like some quiet, you know, like, oh, he's on the board of so and so. No, no, no, it

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was, it was enormous in 1964. That year, the U S surgeon general released the big report

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that definitely linked cigarette smoking to lung cancer and to death. Clearly a leftist extremist,

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U S general. Exactly. Uh, as they mostly were, and most still are apparently, uh, minus 30%.

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So for the next seven years, right? Like 64 to 71 and until his appointment to the supreme court,

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Powell was a key player in that tobacco industries, uh, counteroffensive against the narrative that

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it causes cancer as a director and member of that executive committee. He was directly responsible

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for the campaign to ultimately lie and hide the truth and a manufacturer doubt to fighting

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regulations to curb the effects of it. Purportedly we have sources. Be clear, sorry, peaceful civil

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disobedience, not okay. Lying in, in reports and correspondence with the federal government. Fine.

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That's what we're saying. All right. Okay. Just check it. Exactly. So he actually like personally

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reviewed and signed off on the annual reports from Philip Morris actually, uh, containing

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statements that were found to be knowingly false. One of them he was cited as, as agreeing to was

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there is no biological proof that smoking is causally related to human disease or that

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scientific information indicting smoking is quote of dubious validity. Right. Even more revealing

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Powell, as a lawyer advising the tobacco Institute began actually testing the legal arguments

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that would kind of become central to the conservative movement. So in a case,

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he actually argued that because the science linking smoking to cancer was controversial,

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a controversy that he literally created with his own company that the first amendments free

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speech protections required news organizations to give tobacco companies equal time to counter

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anti-smoking. It isn't the playbook. If you don't like what the other side says,

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make something up this opposite and claim that they're on equal footing.

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Yes. So this is kind of the beginning of using the language of free speech and balance

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as a shield for corporate propaganda. He is the, the, the literal lawyer who,

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who created it as, as we're seeing it play out today. So the memo, the 34 page diatribe,

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let's be honest, it's not a memo. It's a diatribe was not some like abstract political

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philosophy that he cooked up from his little ivory tower. Right. It was, it was a field manual

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that he, he created from doing it. And he valid was validating it in real time as he was preparing

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this, this sort of doctrine. Right. And the strategies that it would lay out for the entire

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business community from funding friendly scholars to create a counter narrative, from aggressively

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using courts, from demanding that balance in the media and organizing a United political front.

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Those were all tactics kind of pioneered, but perfected by the tobacco industry.

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When it was trying to fight for survival, kind of like we're seeing happen with, I don't know,

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healthcare kind of like we're seeing with, I don't know, every other major corporation,

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the United States who has a monopoly on our general welfare. Yeah. Powell kind of had seen firsthand

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how if you were powerful and you had enough money and you were organized enough that you could

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essentially block any reference or block at least contest and create doubt about any scientific

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consensus, any public opinion, any, any government regulation, then he said, how do we scale this up?

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How do we go from this just applies to tobacco to how do we apply this to the entire American free

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enterprise system from this existential threat? Right. Now keep in mind in his head, Martin Luther

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King Jr. with his doctrine of anarchy and Ralph Nader with his attacks on corporate power were

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just two of the same kind of two-headed monster that were threatening the established order of

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the way Powell saw the United States. Right. Those terrible threats of seat belts,

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mandatory seat belt laws and integrated schools, the twin destructive powers that ruined America.

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Finally, someone tells it tells it as it is. No, we're not that kind of brocast.

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Hopefully the tongue firmly planted in cheek right now is coming through.

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Exactly. Hopefully. You know, audio is the perfect methodology behind that actually

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is trying to, if you want to get that tongue in cheek, audio is definitely the perfect medium

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for that. I don't have a face for video, so that's why our podcast is mostly audio.

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All right. So that takes us to 1971. Will, do you want to give us kind of some background on

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the point at which we came to this explosive 1971 year? Let's do it. This is right on the heels of

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the free love era. You know, at this point we've got, we're hopelessly mired in Vietnam

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and dealing with all of the issues related to that. You know, this is why you can sort of start to see

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why Powell reaches the level of hysteria that's actually in the memo. If you go back and read it,

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you'll you'll you can feel it. It's palpable in his words. He's panicking. He's angry. He's angry,

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he's afraid, he's lots of things. But, you know, it wasn't just any year, right? This is like a

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turning point in history. The things that are going on along with this, yeah, for most people,

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this is where history really changed for a lot of people. And as I'm researching this, I'm realizing

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it's not just in America. You know, we kind of, our focus is on America, but I mean, the Bangladesh

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was in war with Pakistan. Idi Amin was coming into power. I mean, just there was some crazy stuff

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going on all for one year. I mean, it really packed it in. 1971 was a banner year for some things,

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and a detrimental year for many things. But I mean, he saw this as a turning point, right?

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This is why he felt the need to get the word out to his friends and allies. And, you know,

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historians have now begun to recognize although I noticed there's a dearth of actual writing on the

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year of 1971. Like I expected there to be a book just titled 1971, and I'm surprised there isn't.

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I think. Right? I know it's, and it makes me feel kind of, you know, it makes me feel a little

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conspiracy theorist that like I'm drawing this thread. But these are just dates. Like, you know

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what I mean? Like if you're reading about like the worst parts in American history, and you keep

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coming across 1971, that's not a conspiracy theory. It's just the year that all these things happen.

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Exactly. Exactly. So I mean, I just, and I had to go back. Speaking of sounding conspiracy

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theorist, I really went back and checked the sources on this and I was like, all right,

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let's make sure this is legit. The AI is not hallucinating or finding all those things. I'm

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like checking every source I can because I mean, it's unbelievable what happened that year.

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Yes. We went through the 30 year mortgage. Yeah. In order to prop up the free American economy from

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unaffordable housing. Like, I mean, that's the year that started too. We'll get to that at a

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different time. But it's just anytime we start talking about 1971, I start thinking about all

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the connected things. But go ahead. Right. I thought about just going down a list of things

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that we must be talking about. Like just bring up, we're talking about 1971 and we must be talking

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about, there's like 50 things that any other year might have made headlines. But they all happen in

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the same year. Yeah. It just doesn't even make the radar in this year because of the craziness that

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was going on. But if you've ever noticed, I think there's actually a website out there and I should

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have gone back and validated this. Maybe we could drop in the show notes if we do. But there's a

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website actually, I think about 1971. It's like just focused on how everything changes in 1971.

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It's just a bunch of charts, just a bunch of economic charts. And you can see the impact of

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all the various things that happened. It's WTF happened in. There it is. Yeah.

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And just a collection of visuals to see all the things that went crazy in 1971.

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Everything exploded. It's almost unbelievable. I mean, it really does test rigidity that you've

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got to get in there and look all this stuff up. But it's all legit. So I mean, we have economic

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inequality hitting on never before seen levels. Now compare that to 2025 and maybe they're not

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so crazy. Mild. Right. But for that world, that world there was a staggering economic inequality,

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wage stagnation, which I'll often accompany that and is both a symptom and a cause of inequality.

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Productivity was dropping. Sorry, productivity was going up. Wages were stagnant. So they kind of

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diverged, which had never been done before. I mean, usually before when people produced more,

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they got paid more. That seems pretty straightforward, but that doesn't happen

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when you think. Yeah. You think. Right. It's the year that's been called the beginning of

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the end, which is pretty ominous and not far off as far as I can tell. We're just waiting on the

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end, right? Like any day now. But again, getting back to these things that would have made headlines

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or I mean, they did make headlines, I guess, but the Manson family was, was sentenced at this time.

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Yeah. So you have other things sort of grabbing the attention and grabbing the news headlines.

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You have the hundreds of thousands of people marching on Washington to protest the Vietnam

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War. The soundtrack of the year wasn't happy. This is not the sixties anymore. This is not,

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you know, the sitcom sixties that we see portrayed. This is the, what's going on? You know,

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Marvin Gaye's What's Going On was like the critique of police brutality and war. That's the music

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everybody's playing, right? I mean, we took a hard left turn from the 1960s. And of course, intellectuals

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were all, all are, you know, a Twitter with revolutionary ideas. You had John Rawls publishing

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a theory of justice, which is like, it's still the textbook and political ethics and political

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philosophy. And then feminist texts like Sisterhood is Powerful were challenging these ideas that have

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been long part of the social structure of the United States. And now it's just, everything's up for grabs.

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So you can sort of start to see why Powell was panicking at this point.

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Well, and I think, I think it's important to note too, that up until then, right, every time there

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was some sort of major, major issue, major, you know, it was, it was a war and anytime there was a

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world or world war one, world war two, the country would just rally and they would, they would put

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aside all differences and they would work together toward a common cause and they would have a purpose

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right. That was driving them to be cohesive. And Vietnam was not that, I mean, I'm not saying

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Vietnam was manufactured. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying it was a real war, but our

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involvement in it was definitely not cohesive, especially with the draft, you know, we didn't

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really even mention that part in there, but, but with the draft going on, like it was enormous

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and it was the first time that we had a major conflict that the United States didn't buck up

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and band together and figure out how to, to, to hurt a common enemy because half of the country

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was like, these people aren't our enemy. Why are we doing this? We're going to war on behalf of

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somebody else's country. Good thing they had the war on drugs waiting in the wings to unite everybody

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against some common enemy, right? Finally, something that there wasn't anything racist or

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classist about the war on drugs while they were importing it from Mexico. Yeah. So, yes. I mean,

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the world's falling around collapsing around Powell's years and, you know, that's just one

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part of the picture. But the economy, I mean, there's just, I mean, you can't overstate the

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importance of the fact that we dropped off the gold standard this year, right. And this year, 1971,

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and that's the day many of us have said the day the dollar died, right? On the day the dollar

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officially became a fiat currency and a floating valuation. And that's again, while these economic

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charts show things change in 1971, although I did find this keeping track, that's another one to

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put on the bullet list. Yeah, we removed ourselves from the gold standard. Thanks, Nixon, which,

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and this is, I didn't validate this. So I'm a little, I can't even believe I've never heard

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this in history class, but did you read it in your research that apparently France sent a battleship

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to pick up the gold that they were entitled to take in exchange for dollars? Like they showed up

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to get their gold in a battleship in New York City is my understanding. Yes, actually. So, so Ms.

29:17

Sherer when I went to high school down in Lafayette, Louisiana, Ms. Sherer did teach us about this. It

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was not in the history book, but she told us about it. So yes, I do remember this. That's being a very

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French state. It was a big point of pride for her, I think. Yeah. So I mean, keep in mind, these are

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our revolutionary allies, right, that helped us become a country, showed up with a battleship in

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our harbors to come pick up the gold that they were entitled to according to our treaties, because

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the US was spending money writing checks its gold reserves couldn't cash, so to speak. So yeah. So

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I mean, that's happening here. This ended an agreement that followed the world wars,

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that was stabilizing the economies of the world as everything, and everybody's recovering from World

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War II, which just decimated so many economies. And now you have the iron curtain coming into play

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and people that are near that saying, "Hey, look, we don't trust the US dollar anymore. We want our

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gold." And they were coming to collect and there wasn't going to be enough, there was a run on US

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gold and there just wasn't enough to back up the notes. So they saw the only alternative as

30:30

leaving the gold standard and basically quitting on that alliance, that treaty. Yeah, creating a

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fiat currency. Creating a fiat currency, so there you go. And for those who aren't familiar with

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how all this, what we're talking about here, imagine that the dollar is a casino chip,

30:46

right? So you know, it's just one of those chips you get at the casinos where you can change it

30:50

in for money. In theory, you could cash in the chip for a little bit of gold, mostly held in Fort Knox.

30:58

Although there's some questions about that. We're not even going to conspiracy theories on that.

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Don't worry. Yeah, I don't want to talk about that. But on August 15th, basically Nixon announced that

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the casino was keeping the gold. Those chips were no longer good for gold, but we still use the chips

31:11

as currency. So you still have to play with our chips. You just can't ever turn them in for anything

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of equal value, anything tangible. Outside of this system, right? Right, outside of this system.

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So suddenly nobody has any way of knowing what a dollar is worth. And that's kind of a problem when

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you're trying to get dollars or give dollars for tangible goods. And as a worldwide currency, right?

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Like at this point, we were the worldwide currency because our economy was backed by gold.

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Right. But unfortunately, we were fighting a very expensive war, this time without the allies that

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we fought in the previous wars with. And so we were spending very quickly and spending more than we had

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available. And then combine that with a high unemployment and stubborn inflation coming in.

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The inflation numbers up until recently were some of the highest historically. And you get a sense of

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fear and a sense of America being in decline that we had not seen up to this point. This is starting

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to sound very familiar, right? Yes. Now one thing I want to point out here, if it's okay, Will, I'll

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kind of take it from here. Any time there is a division, right, in a nation,

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for some reason, leadership always creates a straw man, creates an enemy, creates

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a new focus of our ire rather than necessarily the system. Powell was no different in this scenario,

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right? But we inherently throughout time, I mean, and not just the United States, right, Stalin,

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Hitler, I mean, all of the big ones that we spout about all the time, they all created an enemy

33:01

rather than looking at the system and going, you know, maybe these small decisions are adding up to

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something bad. But the economic chaos that was happening here was only a piece of the panic,

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right? It wasn't just that. The real problem for people like Powell came from a new breed of what

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he called attacker, right, that couldn't just be dismissed as, oh, they're a communist, or they're

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an anarchist who just wants to blow everything up or light cities on fire. These were highly effective,

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very media smart crusaders who were kind of winning the court of public opinion. And also,

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they were winning in the halls of Congress, right? They started to sort of lobby about these things

33:53

on behalf of the people. There was the kind of consumer as commando Ralph Nader. He wrote a book

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in 1965 called unsafe at any speed that had kind of taken down a peg GM that launched this national

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movement. And then by 1971, only six years later, he was kind of a rock star. If you haven't heard of

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Ralph Nader, it's a really interesting story. We might even do a little thing on him. I really

34:21

enjoy the story of Ralph Nader. And honestly, I think in a lot of ways, what we need is a Ralph

34:26

Nader type of person today to sort of like, at least get enough rallying behind to make even some

34:34

small amount of change. But he had founded an advocacy advocacy group called the public citizen.

34:41

And he had he called the group the Nader's Raiders, which I think is hilarious. And I really enjoy it.

34:48

I actually think it's kind of cute. But these were were really intelligent, sort of idealistic

34:54

lawyers and students that were churning out report after report after scientific study,

35:01

after study exposing kind of all of this horrible stuff that corporations were doing

35:08

on everything from from food safety to water pollution to air quality. And they were getting

35:13

results. Right. So Nader's work was kind of the the pinpoint of the passage of legislations like

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the OSHA Act. Right. Of 1970. Now, keep in mind, this is only like one year before this Powell memo.

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So OSHA created this giant new federal agency to regulate workplace safety.

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In that in Powell's memo, though, he singled out Nader specifically, calling him the most perhaps

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the single most effective antagonist of American business. A man who wanted to smash utterly

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corporate power. Kind of hard to disagree with that right now. Because there's for Nader.

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Exactly. You know, it is high praise for Nader because when someone who is your opposite comes

36:07

out and says you're really doing well at the thing you set out to do, that's not a bad that's not a

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bad day. Right. And then literally, the the earth itself got pissed off enough that it struck back

36:21

to before 1970s. The the the environment in the US was in a lot of places kind of a horror show.

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And we're not just talking like Flint water crisis. Right. The the Cuyahoga River in Ohio

36:36

was so polluted with industrial waste that it literally caught on fire. It's a river.

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The river like that's supposed to be water, body of water, water catch on fire smog in

36:48

cities like Pittsburgh was so thick that streetlights who were on daylight sensors

36:54

would turn on during the day to stop accident that that's how thick the smoke and smog was in

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cities like Pittsburgh. Right. So this really visible, very out there crisis led to the first

37:07

Earth Day in April 1970. It was a gigantic demonstration nationwide. And it really sort of

37:15

steeled the modern environmental movement and the political result was very positive.

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The public pressure was so intense that in December of that same year 1970, Richard Nixon,

37:30

a Republican president with overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress created the EPA. In that

37:37

creation, very large federal bureaucracy was born. Not necessarily a bad thing in this scenario.

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These were regulations with broad authority that can regulate pollution from factories from every

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power plant and every car, every automobile in the country. So this is all very, very pivotal

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context for the Powell memo, the sort of the true shock for business CEOs, the C suite wasn't really

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just that the economic instability of the market or the protesters in the streets. Like it was the

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realization that political establishments, including the people who were on their Republican side,

38:28

were beginning to side with the people who opposed what these companies were doing. Right. So

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all of a sudden, people had been gung ho straight forward on capitalism all the way until the point

38:42

where we go, Oh, wait a minute. It's starting to literally affect the air that I breathe. It's

38:47

starting to literally affect the water that I'm drinking. We maybe have to do something about

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this. And there was enough pushback that something started to get done. And one thing we haven't

38:56

mentioned yet, but it is a significant political shift as well. Is that this 1971 was also the year

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the 26th amendment was ratified, which lowered the voting age from 21 to 18, which nobody knew.

39:11

Yeah, that's, that's a big deal. Right. It's a big deal. No matter who, which side you're on,

39:15

right? At least one side, if not all politicians are going to be unpopular with the youth, right?

39:21

These are the people being drafted. They're being told, you're going to go fight this war,

39:25

like it or not, over in a country you've never heard of and couldn't find them a map.

39:28

You're going to go fight this war for us. But by the way, you don't have any say in our government

39:32

if you're 18 to 20. So, I mean, giving them that vote, that although it was widely supported, it was

39:38

sort of a necessity. Like, you know, you could imagine things getting really violent if they had

39:44

not done that. So, I mean, these moves were not made willingly, no matter what the, you know,

39:49

rhetoric was around them. They didn't know, they didn't know what was going to happen when they

39:53

opened up, you know, the additional, the lower age group, you know, for voting. It's a big, big shift.

39:59

Yes. And it was a sign to the, this, the C-suite in the, in the corporations of the 70s,

40:07

that this consensus that they had been operating on, and, and it was a very, very powerful consensus,

40:12

couldn't just be contained through the normal lobbying process and paying lobbyists and paying

40:19

off senators or partisan politics, right? Saying, oh, it's a Republican thing, or it's a, it's a

40:24

Democrat thing. They were basically, like, came to the, the belief that they had to launch an entire

40:33

counter revolution to change the entire intellectual and political climate of the country. Right.

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We thank you so much for listening thus far. We have come to the conclusion of the first half of

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this episode. We have basically covered all of the history, all of the sociopolitical environment

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that led up to the actual Powell memo. Tune back in next week while we tackle the actual memo itself,

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